Talk:Free France

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Updates on Prelude[edit]

I've expanded this as I think the original was too Anglo-centric. Brits tend to see the Battle of France as ending at Dunkirk but that wasn't the case even at the time (eg Alanbrooke and the Canadian First Division were landed in France on 2 June). It matters because one cannot understand French bitterness against both the British and De Gaulle without the context of what happened after Dunkirk (a period that features a number of the most heroic episodes in French military history eg the Samur cavalry cadets).

Happy to discuss. Robinvp11 (talk) 11:14, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Section edit links missing[edit]

As of this date, there are no section edit links. This can be caused by an archive template, which turns them off, or unbalanced tags of other types. I will check briefly, but don't have time for an extended investigation of this. Mathglot (talk) 23:28, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I've checked as far back as 809824702 of 17:47, November 11, 2017, and there are no section edit links that far back. It's extremely unlikely this would not have been noticed that long, and in any case, there are plenty of edit summaries with section names generated by section edit link editing; this is almost certainly the fault of a template transcluded here, with a bug in it recently added. (I just hope it's not something I introduced, because I edit templates, but haven't made any relevant changes lately to anything that seems a likely culprit.) Can someone take a look? Mathglot (talk) 23:35, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
From the {{Archive}} template in this edit, as analyzed and fixed by users xaosflux and Izno, with my thanks. Mathglot (talk) 00:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC) Struck irrelevant/inaccurate part. Mathglot (talk) 00:31, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


The anthem is not a recording from the ww2 era, and the anthem came from 1909, by Jean Note and the file is even in La Marseillaise — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTTTRZON (talkcontribs) 15:28, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@TTTTRZON: welcome to Wikipedia! I think you're talking about the audio file of the recording linked near the top of the Infobox in the right sidebar, is that right? The anthem itself, La Marseillaise, dates to 1795. That audio file contains a recording identified as having been made in 1907. The song itself is the same one that became the national anthem in 1795.
I can imagine that an older recording was chosen on purpose, in order to show the continuity of Free France with older Republican tradition, rather than select a recording from the time when the Vichy regime was in nominal control of French soil, although in reality Metropolitan France was under the boot of Nazi Germany. Choosing an earlier recording imho, is a subtle way to reject the validity of Vichy, and I find it a nice touch. If audio recording had existed in 1795, I would've chosen one recorded then. Mathglot (talk) 18:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
For god sake, why all that talk for what is basically trivia, and that 99.9 % of readers won't care about. Why not spend that energy on improving the article as such? One way of improving it would be to reduce it by about a third to a half, as it contains way too much trivia and minor or peripheral info, especially in the eye of the non-French reader. --Lubiesque (talk) 20:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

That dreadful infobox map[edit]

Looking at that map in the infobox with its complicated color scheme and dates ― probably made by some editor with too much free time on his/her hands ― I can understand why so many Wikipedia contributors hate infoboxes.--Lubiesque (talk) 20:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. Mathglot (talk) 21:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

About the racism paragraph.[edit]

I'm new at this but the above mentioned paragraph really strike my attention for it's totally unneutral tone, and some facts (like in the liberation of Paris black troops were prevented to act when the only Free French unit present was the 2nd Armored, a unit formed by white french from all over the world) seems wrong but the thing at the end a about the last betrayal about ending colonial troop pentions, is false. They were frozen after the independences. Here you have a BBC article from 2010 about a change that make again those pentions like the one's for metropolitan France.

The whole paragraph seems based on a few pages of one book. I hope that somebody with more experience and some knowledge can clarify this.

I do agree with this editor; the racism section is completely biased and needs to be renovated. Have tagged it for POV issues. Lettlerhellocontribs 20:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Free French land force name[edit]

Would anyone know if there was a unified name for the Free French land forces/army? I have been looking through the article but have found nothing to answer my question. Lettlerhellocontribs 20:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)